Obscure Card Game Predicted 9/11 Attacks ! Said to Be “Smoking Gun” Proof of Worldwide Conspiracy! Analysts Examining Candy Land, Clue, and Twister for More Details of Illuminati Plot!
You know you have scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel when you are citing obscure card games as definitive evidence of a worldwide conspiracy controlled by the ever-elusive yet all-powerful Illuminati. Yet that is just what this page has managed to do. In the bizarre world of conspiracy theorists, even a card game that nobody has heard of is grounds for believing that a secret society is running the world and preparing for the birth of the Antichrist. In 1995, gamemaker Steven Jackson released the card game Illuminati — New World Order. Within the deck of 100 playing cards was one card labeled “Terrorist Nuke” that shows what is an admittedly eerie depiction of an attack on New York’s World Trade Center, although given the title of the card, it is clear that he was referring to a nuclear attack, not an attack with hijacked airplanes. In the same deck, there was a picture depicting an explosion in the middle of the Pentagon.
Given that this game was released in 1995 and terrorists had already attacked the World Trade Center two years earlier, the idea of the WTC as a terrorist target wasn’t exactly farfetched (sadly). The Pentagon is also a rather obvious target for any group of would-be conspirators bent on world domination. The deck also includes cards such as “Epidemic,” “Kill for Peace,” and “Combined Disasters,” all of which apparently have some significance to conspiracy theorists, though none of those events have occurred in any world-changing way. According to this page, two of the cards “correctly foretell the last two events that the Bible foretells will occur during the final birth pangs that will produce Antichrist!” How you can “correctly” foretell what someone else has already foretold but hasn’t happened yet is beyond me. But apparently that’s possible. It is also beyond me why a society that has managed to control the world secretly for centuries would want to advertise their world-domination scheme in a card game. I guess even Antichrists like a little commercial exposure.
In any event, when your “smoking gun” is an obscure card game, you’re probably better off packing it in and moving on. Chances are, you aren’t going to get much lower on the theory totem than that. But on the other hand, I suppose it is better than playing Monopoly for the the 12394th time. And “Illuminati” is just a cool word to say. If it wasn’t a buzzword for a bunch of wacked-out conspiracy theorists, someone probably would have named a car after it by now.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:51 am
I saw your site and I’m a skeptic also, but your explanation does cut the mustard.
Your site left out a lot of details, beside the fact that you tried to explain it away as a fairytale was funny.
You left out the fact that the secret service raided the house of Mr. Jackson over the game in 1990.
Why would they if the game meant nothing? Occam’s razor would rule coincidence at this point!
The term nuke did not mean necessarily a nuclear bomb because it shows the twin towers, you do not need a nuke to take down buildings, ….metaphor for bomb, and the news and many people reported that there was devices planted in the building…. see some of the actual news reports on youtube.
NUKE,…
Semantics my friend….
So Jackson was accurate on that as well.
“* The card accurately depicts that the place of impact is some distance from the top of the twin towers. The plane hit in this approximate area of the first tower. How in the world could Steve Jackson know this fact?”
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm
Also your site stated
“You know you have scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel when you are citing obscure card games as definitive evidence of a worldwide conspiracy controlled by the ever-elusive yet all-powerful Illuminati.”
You make it appear as it the loony who would buy into this, however, I shown many people this video of the card game,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69mO7g1ncs
college grads, educated people, and all were baffled and began to research the Illuminati. So is everyone that I shown this to sinking to the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel? I seen this evidence first hand, rather it could be your site sinking to the bottom of the skeptic barrel.
Not one person i shown this video to laughed this off as the way your site tries to make the general view appear.
Also, the WTC is card 2 & Pentagon is the next card…3…not card 7 and card 72 …..one right after the other, 2 & 3.
Another great coincidence?
Also, the game was invented in 89, therefore the planes could have come into the plan at a later time, but the fact is Jackson knew of the attacks, twin towers and then the Pentagon…. one after the other.
Also if Jackson knew of the planes, it would be a smart thing to leave them out as it would be some sort of defence that he really didn’t know of the events… and avoided arrest or big problems.
Also remember Occam’s razor,
Occam’s razor is also called the principle of parsimony. These days it is usually interpreted to mean something like “the simpler the explanation, the better” or “don’t multiply hypotheses unnecessarily.” In any case, Occam’s razor is a principle which is frequently used outside of ontology, e.g., by philosophers of science in an effort to establish criteria for choosing from among theories with equal explanatory power.
When two or more theories exist to explain an uncommon event, the simplest answer is most likely the correct one!
Which is the simplest answer
A That Steve Jackson hit of the biggest coincidences of all time, foretelling in consecutive order the 2 buildings that would be hit in the biggest terror attack in this country… so much that he even created a game of it…and so much that the secret service raided his house over it in 1990
or
B He had supernatural powers (note Occam’s razor has been used to disprove supernatural events)
or
C A leak in the Illuminati plan.
Keep in mind explanation B does not disprove the Illuminati plan.
Your attempt to explain this away falls short of common and scientific logic.
Also, this could be an explanation from the Illuminati themselves. How is that for a skeptic?
Sole :)
January 27th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Perhaps you ought to read Mr. Jackson’s actual account of the raid, which is at http://www.sjgames.com/SS/. The Secret Service was not interested in his game on the Illuminati. In fact, the game that Mr. Jackson notes as being particularly affected was GURPS Cyberpunk, not his Illuminati game. One of the computers they took happened to be the Illuminati BBS, which, as Jackson states clearly, was a customer support forum for his games.
If Mr. Jackson were really onto a plot this huge in breadth and scope, all the Secret Service could think to do was take a few of his computers, only to have them awarded back in court, so he could publish his game anyway? That strains credulity way past the breaking point.
I know college grads who think the Virgin Mary appeared on a piece of toast. That there are people who seem to agree with you is not evidence supporting your hypothesis.
Incorrect. The website in question notes that David Icke pulled out the most pertinent cards from the deck that he thinks prove his point, and he arranged them in a specific order. The website then notes that it is presenting them in the same order he did. The actual game sells numerous packs of cards which have different arrangements and collections of the playing cards, which can appear in many orders. It’s similar to Magic: The Gathering and other games of that nature. You have to buy packs of cards to construct decks to play the game. The cards are not numbered, and there is no set sequence for the cards.
In fact, if you go here: http://www.geocities.com/glenbarnett/ranst.html you can see the composition of all three “starter packs,” which are collated to have specific cards in them. Not only are the Pentagon and WTC cards not in order, they do not even appear together in the same pack in any of those 3 collated starter packs.
So, in short, you are flat-out wrong.
No, the simplest answer is that Steven Jackson made a card game with over one hundred cards in it about a world conspiracy. And out of those 100+ cards, he chose two sites that are very obvious targets, one of which had already been hit with a terrorist attack a couple of years before he released the game. That is not only a simple answer, it doesn’t require world conspiracies, psychic powers, or anything else. It requires a man making a card game with a theme about conspiracies. Which is exactly what we have.
Thanks for visiting and commenting, and best of luck to you.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:34 am
“The facts. By now, most people interested in the case are
familiar with the basic facts: On March 1, 1990, the Secret
Service, in an early-morning raid, searched the offices of Steve
Jackson Games. The agents kept the employees out of the offices
until the afternoon, and took the company’s BBS — called
“Illuminati” — along with an employee’s work computer, other
computer equipment, and hundreds and hundreds of floppy disks.
They took all the recent versions of a soon-to-be-published game
book, “GURPS Cyberpunk,” including big parts of the draft which
were publicly available on Illuminati.”
http://www.sjgames.com/SS/pdk-article.html
Yea they happened to take it also……
You said…
“one of which had already been hit with a terrorist attack a couple of years before he released the game.”
The game was invented in 89-90 and I believe the WTC & Pentagon contents of the card was created before the first attack! But either way it is irrelevant. Why?…
Even if the WTC card was created after the 93 attack, does not explain how he knew they would be attacked again in the same exact place of the building that the planes hit.
In 93 the infrastructure was attacked, how did Jackson know the re-attack would NOT be at it’s infrastructure? Look at the card real good, then look at the place where the planes exploded into the WTC.
Look at the Pentagon card and look at where the damage was on the Pentagon on 911.
The simplest answer is there was a leak in the Illuminati plan.
Your answer is too BIG of a coincidence and is not the simplest answer.
I will agree with you when you said it does not prove psychic powers, as I said I am a skeptic myself.
But because of this game I done some extensive research on the Illuminati, and the people, presidents that were in it. The apple don’t fall too far from the tree.
I have read Mr. Jacksons actual account of the raid, and if I were him I too would say the same. If he says he knew something about 911 he could be accused of being in on it, so he, more than anyone must make it look like a coincidence even more than you are trying to, that is just common sense. This is why I said earlier that it just may be why he left the planes out, to give him that small buffer zone of escape.
Look at all sides and the big picture, put yourself in his shoes.
You said,
“I know college grads who think the Virgin Mary appeared on a piece of toast. That there are people who seem to agree with you is not evidence supporting your hypothesis.”
You’re right, but that was not my point. I was not trying to prove this is valid by saying it baffled educated people. My point was a rebuttal to this statement….
“You know you have scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel when you are citing obscure card games as definitive evidence of a worldwide conspiracy controlled by the ever-elusive yet all-powerful Illuminati.”
My point was that everyone that has seen the cards or the video and believe Jackson knew something is not a conspiracy theorist. If we went out in the streets and showed people the exact locations of the WTC and the Pentagon that got hit on the cards, you will see that people do not have your view of it and you will be in the minority, that these people are not those who scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel. All I meant.
If the game was named Detroit Pistons and in that game was the destruction of the WTC & The Pentagon, it will still be hard to not believe the creator was trying to relate a message in some sort of way to the public. Seeing it is named the Illuminati… again… do a real long research on the Illuminati, freemasons, and see what their goals are.
Also from what I understand there was an attempt to prohibit the Illuminati game from being published, and Jackson won.
Remember this was the biggest attack in our countries history.
Keep in mind I am not trying to prove a biblical passage or supernatural powers, but appears there was leak.
The card even says that the WTC attack would be carried out by a violent group the Illuminati controlled, you seem to have left that out as well.
As far as the order of events, I will look into that more and appreciate your answer. There are 412 cards and I came across the book that lists them in alphabetical order. But I hear at one point they were arranged…. card 1. To rewrite history, 2. WTC attack, 3, Pentagon attack.
I will look into that more.
The valid points you make is the following cards that seem to relate the book of Revelation’s four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
You can take any event and say this will lead into the cataclysmic events foretold in the bible.
It appears he believed that they, the Illuminati, believed they were ushering in those events with the events of 911.
Also one of the cards predicts a CDC outbreak, funny, right after 911 we heard of small pox, now avian… etc..
You seem like a smart person, I enjoyed your site, but I wanted you to know your attempt to laugh this off as joke method, for those who scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel is not sitting very well as a valid explanation.
Also there were more leaks besides Jackson’s game
http://www.metatech.org/911_conspiracy_world_trade_center.html
Also it is not my “hypothesis” as you say. I am not from Cutting Edge. Yes it is a game that not many people know about because it sold at obscure stores.
But it’s unpopularity does not make the events foretold invalid. Because of the youtube video it has now come into the mainstream, and this is starting to buzz… so to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69mO7g1ncs
This is where I discovered it and looked for all sorts of information on it. Which is why I have came across your site.
Do a study on the Illuminati, how many Presidents were involved.
It would then be no surprise why the game would attribute this to them.
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagendabestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml
In 4 parts
Also see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YeyqAfzEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ogvSOsAlKI
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1103725146236500421&q=illuminati
It’s going to be a little harder to explain this away than “those who scraped the bottom of the conspiracy-theory evidence barrel”.
I appreciate you letting me express my views to your explanation of this!
January 29th, 2007 at 8:36 am
“Yea they happened to take it also……”
Yes, they did, along with many many other disks and computers. And by “it” you are referring to the Illuminati BBS, which Jackson clearly states was nothing more than a support forum for their games. And again, you are also telling me that the Illuminati, a group so powerful they were able to masterfully plan this grand conspiracy, could only think to take a couple of Jackson’s computers, and then give them back a little while later, only so he could publish his game anyway? Why not get rid of him completely? You’d think a group that powerful would have no trouble with that.
“The game was invented in 89-90 and I believe the WTC & Pentagon contents of the card was created before the first attack! But either way it is irrelevant. Why?…
“Even if the WTC card was created after the 93 attack, does not explain how he knew they would be attacked again in the same exact place of the building that the planes hit.”
The original Illuminati Board game was released, I believe, in 1990. The card game, which has the WTC card, wasn’t made until later. If you have some proof that the card was drawn prior to the WTC attack, then you are welcome to present it. Anything else is just speculation.
“In 93 the infrastructure was attacked, how did Jackson know the re-attack would NOT be at it’s infrastructure? Look at the card real good, then look at the place where the planes exploded into the WTC.”
As far as Jackson “knowing” where the attack would be: the simple answer is that he didn’t know. He drew an explosion at the World Trade center fairly close to the top of the tower, and that is where one of the planes happened to it. The other tower in that picture is completely intact, so you only have half a coincidence, at best.
“Look at the Pentagon card and look at where the damage was on the Pentagon on 911.
The simplest answer is there was a leak in the Illuminati plan.”
Actually, if you look at the card, the damage is not where it was on 9-11. The vast majority of the damage on 9-11 was to the outer ring, which is where most of the victims were located. The card has the main explosion in the courtyard, which is completely inaccurate.
“I have read Mr. Jacksons actual account of the raid, and if I were him I too would say the same. If he says he knew something about 911 he could be accused of being in on it, so he, more than anyone must make it look like a coincidence even more than you are trying to, that is just common sense. This is why I said earlier that it just may be why he left the planes out, to give him that small buffer zone of escape.
Look at all sides and the big picture, put yourself in his shoes.”
If I were in his shoes, and I knew about one of the largest conspiracies in history, I would not sit around and make a card game about it. I would be shouting it in the streets, telling people about it, showing all my evidence. Making a card game about it is such a silly course of action, I can’t even begin to imagine that entering my mind. What purpose does that serve, other than that I can make some money off selling a game?
“Also from what I understand there was an attempt to prohibit the Illuminati game from being published, and Jackson won.”
If you don’t have any evidence of this, then it is again, speculation, at the very best. Jackson doesn’t make any claims that anyone tried to prevent his game from being published.
“The card even says that the WTC attack would be carried out by a violent group the Illuminati controlled, you seem to have left that out as well.”
To make that have any relevance, you would first have to show that the Illuminati even exist, of which there is scant to no actual evidence. You would then have to show that they “controlled” the people who planned the attack. If that were the case, there would be mountains of evidence: phone records, e-mails, witnesses, financial documents, etc. etc. etc.
“Also one of the cards predicts a CDC outbreak, funny, right after 911 we heard of small pox, now avian… etc..”
Only none of those outbreaks have occurred to any large degree. Smallpox was floated as a potential terrorist weapon. Avian influenza exists, and is primarily confined to chickens. Even before 9-11 there were fears about Mad Cow disease, foot and mouth disease, etc. not to mention AIDS. Fears of epidemics have been around as long as people have been around, and with good reason.
“But it’s unpopularity does not make the events foretold invalid. Because of the youtube video it has now come into the mainstream, and this is starting to buzz… so to say.”
What events “foretold”? You picked 2 cards from a game, out of 400 cards, neither of which is claiming to foretell anything. One of those cards does look eerily like one of the 9-11 attacks (as I mentioned in my entry). The other card gets one of the targets right, but that’s it.
The maker of the game is not claiming to foretell anything. In fact, since he released that game, he has released several other games. He owns a game company. He makes games. That’s it.
When you examine all of the actual evidence, all you are left with is this: a single playing card that looks a lot like the 9-11 attacks. A second card that looks somewhat similar to one of the attacks.
That’s it. I have seen no other evidence connecting Mr. Jackson, his game, or his cards, to anything else having to do with 9-11, “the Illuminati,” or anything else other than a guy who makes card games. In fact, judging by his website, he seems to find the whole thing rather humorous.
January 29th, 2007 at 11:01 am
“The maker of the game is not claiming to foretell anything. In fact, since he released that game, he has released several other games. He owns a game company. He makes games. That’s it.”
I believe I covered the logical reason why…
Yes the illuminati exists… do a study…
You can only push a coincidence so far… There were other cards in that deck that came to pass, but I don’t want to get into that.
The bottom line I tried to get arosss was that everyone that has seen the cards or the video and believe Jackson knew something is not a conspiracy theorist or scraped to the bottom of it.
It appears that you’re still trying to make light of the place that the towers were hit… too close for comfort or half coincidence as you say. Same with the Pentagon.
You can only push a coincidence so far my friend.
2 cards out of 400 you say…. well, that is the point that he got 2, it’s a real big 2.
As far as the CDC… I believe they were testing the waters, so that could remain to be seen.
Believe what you want, but people are not buying into your reasoning!
Take care